INTERVIEW:
I have been following for a while and it is great to interview him. Chris Tavener has been discussing his debut studio album, Music Is a Serious Business. I would encourage everyone to listen to it. The songs are all favourites from hundreds of recent shows across the U.K. and Europe. This crowdfunded record is one that I would also encourage people to buy. An incredible and acclaimed live performer, Tavener has a run of U.K. dates ahead that takes him almost up to Christmas. A chance for people to see this unique and amazing performer in the flesh. I ask Tavener about his musical influence, the themes addressed on Music Is a Serious Business, what it was like recording out of Green Velvet Studios in Stockport, and what his plans are for next year. You can follow Chris Tavener on Facebook, TikTok, and Instagram. If you can too, pre-order Music Is a Serious Business on vinyl. Though you may have to wait a little for your copy to arrive, it is a pre-Christmas treat that will appeal to all music fans. It has been a treat speaking with Chris Tavener. Make sure that his music is…
ON your playlist.
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Hi Chris. How are you doing? What has your week been like? How well are you coping with autumn settling in?
I'm well, thank you! Enjoying autumn so far. It's been a busy few weeks touring around the country, but this week I am having a week off travelling…by travelling to Scotland. I wouldn't have it any other way though. I love getting to see new places.
Before talking about your debut studio album, can you talk to me about some of your influences. In terms of music that was in your life from a young age, which artists spoke to you?
I was a huge Bob Dylan and Beatles fan growing up. From a young age, I was also listening to artists like Arctic Monkeys, Billy Joel, Blur, Tenacious D, Arlo Guthrie, and so many others.
I became interested in writing songs when I heard Randy Newman's album work and something clicked. “Oh, songs can be stories and they can be from anyone's perspective!” I was suddenly really interested in satire from there and became influenced by other rock artists that I felt had clever lyrics. Artists like Elvis Costello, Loudon Wainwright III, Talking Heads and Courtney Barnett and Father John Misty
Your music has this satirical and witty edge. In terms of the artists that you admire, is it their humour and serious-but-witty look on life that speaks to you?
It's definitely a big part of what hooks me in as a listener. I think humour and satire is such a great vehicle for making a point about something you feel strongly about. In my view, it can have more of an impact than expressing your views literally. The artists I mentioned use subtle lyrical devices to bring you round to their point of view. I love that.
I was told by a member of the audience in Chester last week, that they appreciated how I dealt with heavy subjects without really talking about them directly. I was really pleased to get that feedback. It's what my favourite artists do and it's what I'm always trying to achieve. Whether I get
it right or not!...
“But humour is a great weapon against injustice”
I have as said how we need artists tackling big and serious themes in a witty or less heavy-handed way. Like Steely Dan (I am a massive fan and was inspired and have plotted an album with song titles, and a cover but am hampered by not being able to read or write music and only able to write lyrics and not compose or play!). Talking about these big topics, but doing so with a little humour and wit, without distilling the impact. Backing it with rich musicianship. If artists do tackle these themes, it is usually quite heavy and dark or angry. I think a song can talk about a weighty issue and be light or accessible. Would you agree?
I absolutely agree with that. These days, the news is very bleak, and the times we are living in breeds some dark and angry music, understandably. But humour is a great weapon against injustice. The world needs more light-hearted songs. I'd love to hear yours one day when you find a composer and a lyricist.
In general, in an age where so many pressing topics do need to be addressed in music, there is still reluctance or pacifism from many. Do you feel artists should use their platform to address these subjects and areas of discussion, or do you think some artists feel they might get things wrong or alienate some of their listenership?
Well firstly, I think it's great that artists do speak out. Their voices are important for change because, music celebrities especially, have so much influence. But I don't think artists need to have an opinion on every subject, it's unrealistic to expect everyone to be outspoken about all the issues of our time.
But, in my opinion, it's important for artists to know who they are and what their belief system is, for those times when neutrality isn't an option (as Ed Sheeran recently found out). You can't just sit on the fence when neutrality looks like picking a side. If you're not a politically motivated thinker or writer, then at least know what issues are important to you.
I prefer to let my music do the talking. I think it's quite obvious from my songs that I'm pretty left-leaning and I have a lot to say about politics. But none of it is overt, and I don't talk about these things all the time on my social media. Just when I think it's important or the right time to put my view out there. For what it's worth…
Your work pokes fun at modern society. You talk about A.I. and male insecurities, but through the lens of humour. Do you find it hard to do that at a time in history that is so bleak and has few pockets of light and tangible light?
I think there's a lot to laugh about with A.I. It's inefficient, fallible and downright hilarious in its mistakes. I think, while it's important to talk about the very real dangers of A.I., you can bring people into the discussion by pointing out why it's so bad in a funny way. No-one wants to be lectured, so I find putting my opinion across in songs, openly mocking A.I. is a better way for me to voice my opinion.
It's the same with male insecurities. Men and their egos are responsible for so much of the suffering in the world, but mocking that in a playful way is more likely to bring about change than becoming angry and switching people away from your message. At least that's my approach.
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Music Is a Serious Business is your first album. A lot of these songs had been played at previous shows. What compelled you to lay these down in the studio, and are all the songs on the album from the live shows (favourites of yours), or are there some newly-written ones too?
Almost all of them have been ‘road-tested’ first, mainly because I wanted to make sure the humour was landing. But I started writing the first one at the end of 2022 and finished when I wrote the last one at the start of this year. Many songs fell by the way side in-between…
I wanted to get them on a record, partly for those who requested them at live shows, but also because I felt you could do so much with them in a musical ensemble. There were so many jokes and musical ideas I had in my head, that I couldn't wait to put down.
What was it like recording out of Green Velvet Studios in Stockport? What was the reason for choosing that particular space?
Well, it began as a convenience that I knew the producer there, Jonny Woodhead. He was an old friend from the open mic scene in Manchester. We recorded a single there a few years ago, just as he was building the studio, and I knew then it was going to be a special place.
When it came time for the album, Green Velvet ticked so many boxes for me. All the vintage recording techniques and equipment felt perfect to record something that was so influenced by classic and new wave rock. It was a great experience.
“On the one hand, it's a brilliant thing to have full control of how your music is made and distributed; no-one telling you what you should write about or how you should promote it”
Do you have a standout track from the album that is a favourite, or one that was perhaps the most rewarding/challenging to write?
This is a tough question. I love every song for different reasons and they all now remind me of experiences and memories in my life the past few years. If I have to name one, I think I am particularly proud of ‘Printer’, because it took multiple tries to get it right, with different piano, guitar, vocal and cello arrangements. Even the mastering took the longest on that one. But ultimately, it's now so simple and pure in its delivery that it always really makes me smile
Your music has been featured on stations such as BBC Radio 6 Music and BBC Radio 2. What is it like getting praise and backing from these stations and high-profile broadcasters?
It's great having that support, especially from people in the industry that I really respect like Steve Lamacq and Mark Radcliffe. They hear loads of new music all the time, so to hear that they found something original in my songs means a lot.
I used to listen to them before I had my songs played, so it can still feel quite surreal to hear your name on the radio!
Music Is a Serious Business was crowdfunded. How crucial was it to get that support and backing from fans of your music? Do you think the realities of recording and pressing albums is a financial barrier that is creating barriers for artist, and what are the benefits of the crowdfunding approach?
I think the industry has become more D.I.Y., with more people turning to crowdfunding these days. It was crucial for me, as it is for many artists at the moment.
On the one hand, it's a brilliant thing to have full control of how your music is made and distributed; no-one telling you what you should write about or how you should promote it.
But it's also symptomatic of how hard it's become financially. There are a lot of artists struggling to get their work heard, and that feels disheartening to see.
I'm incredibly grateful that I had the backing to make the C.D.s and vinyl for this record.
I do love artists that bring in other musicians, whether that is strings or horns etc. What was it like collaborating with other musicians for Music Is a Serious Business? How easily did you click and connect with them?
Oh I love that too! The session musicians on my album were old university friends turned professional performers, that regularly work at Green Velvet Studios. I wanted the record to have that feeling of a band playing in a room, as opposed to lots of remote recordings.
I think you can really hear that live band atmosphere on the album. Players who just click together, having fun! My hope is that fun is projected onto the record itself.
The tour for this album sees you playing a lot of dates in the North. You are from Cheshire, and Manchester is like a home to you. A lot of the industry is shifting from London to the North (the Mercury Prize is now held in Newcastle). How do you feel about there is more focus on the North and less reliance and spotlight on London and the South?
Being a Northerner myself, I'm all in favour of the spotlight moving northward. I think it's long overdue. I love playing to audiences in the South. I've had some great shows in Winchester and Brighton fairly recently. But something about the crowds up North makes me feel right at home!
“I'm on tour right now, but I'd like to get out to new festivals, hopefully Glastonbury again, and some new rock and folk festivals that I've never done before”
You have played so many shows through the years, and have this reputation as a terrific live performer. How meaningful and powerful is that connection with audiences, and do you think crowd reaction to various songs is important when it came to deciding which made it onto your album?
Oh absolutely, and that's a good observation, thank you. My first album in 2018 was a live album and I had to think about which songs would get the best reaction before I recorded it. When it came to recording this one, even though it was my first studio record, I felt the same logic should apply.
The best songs that made the audience laugh or struck a chord with them emotionally made it onto the album, which is another reason I feel it's my best work to date. Maybe one day, I'll do an extended version with the ones that didn't make it first time!
I think there were also some themes and a structure that I wanted to explore, so that had an effect on the final lineup and tracklist.
Looking ahead to 2027, what are your plans? Do you have any dream venues or ambitions that you want to fulfil?
Yes, I would say next year is about taking the album on the road. I'm on tour right now, but I'd like to get out to new festivals, hopefully Glastonbury again, and some new rock and folk festivals that I've never done before. Festivals like Green Man, Beardy Folk, Blue Dot, Shrewsbury Folk, and lots of others.
In case there are any bookers reading!
I'd also like to get the record in record shops. I'm starting small with that this year, but I'll be reaching out to more shops next year. Perhaps do some in-store shows.
Finally, and for being a good sport, you can name a song (one that is not your own) and I will end the interview with it. What shall we go with?
Let's go with ‘Radio Radio’ by Elvis Costello. I recently went to see him in Manchester on a tour called ‘Radio Soul’. This song was among the songs by Elvis that definitely inspired the sound on these recordings. I also used them as a reference for the session players.
An absolute classic and if you've never seen his clip on SNL with this song, it's well worth a watch.
It's so punk and rock ‘n’ roll.
